We’re in the endgame now

"Just Jeepin'" (macintux) 08/21/2020 at 12:15 • Filed to: Planelopnik

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The world keeps changing f aster than I’m prepared for.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:24

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Yeah, the more vocal the debate about “should we really allow this tech in combat?” ... the more likely it is to happen.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:26

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It would definitely beat a human in the real world, because our dumb fleshy bodies can only maneuver so hard.

Darkbrador > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:29

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AI beats pilot in a computer world, not in the real world .

In the scenario tested here, AI is fed all the relevant data on its opponent location and movements. There may be a long way to go for the machines to be able to get the same level of spatial and information awareness as a human pilot out there in the blue .

H opefully ?  

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:29

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Now who looks stupid, Asimov 

HammerheadFistpunch > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:29

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To temper your fears a little, it’ s much easier to teach a computer to win a computer game than it is to teach a human. The computer can test limits faster and safer and understand the game to a higher degree, partly because the game is a fixed rules simulation where there are no variables that can’t be accounted for.

I think the Human factor will still be something for a while longer.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 08/21/2020 at 12:30

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The thing is, if you don’t do it, someone else will... best to have it on your side

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 08/21/2020 at 12:30

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On one hand, skynet, but on the other hand fewer human deaths (at least until skynet happens)

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:31

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I’m prepared to accept what will happen when they inevitably throw the switch.

It will probably immediately send about 800 million spam emails about online Viagra, rail uselessly against identifying crosswalks for multiple minutes, and then glitch helplessly in the corner for 99% of its activity....

Except for the dozen or so that are actually programmed to work under those conditions, and they won’t be stopped, ever. Unless Linda Hamilton wants to come back again. 

HammerheadFistpunch > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 08/21/2020 at 12:33

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though the airframes are designed around the fleshly limits too.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > HammerheadFistpunch 08/21/2020 at 12:41

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Although maybe the next generation of airframes won’t be as restricted.

For Sweden > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:41

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Viper drivers can’t dogfight who could have predicted this except everyone?

Gerry197 > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:44

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I’m more scared about armed ground track robots with guns. They can accurately pinpoint human targets and hit them quicker than any single human can.

Have a few of these in an urban or open field environment, infantry vs robot and you are pretty screwed.

benn454 > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:45

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It’s ok. We’ve got Jessica Biel, Jamie Foxx, and Josh Lucas

For Sweden > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 08/21/2020 at 12:47

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“We need to defeat these fascists .”

“We have a robot that will do just that!”

“Woah woah woah we can’t use AI weapons.”

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 08/21/2020 at 12:48

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I think the fleshy pilots are in the Guard, not active duty.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > For Sweden 08/21/2020 at 12:50

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“We need to go 100% renewables!”

<110 degree August weather sets in. Power grid fails.>

“Hey, we didn’t mean we wanted to sit in the dark!”

user314 > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 08/21/2020 at 12:50

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I’d temper that with the supposition that this was likely the opposite of the simulations/wargames that are breathlessly reported as “Decades old and/or foreign plane/boat/tank beats new wonder weapon!”, then when you dig into the actual facts of the exercise you find out it was weighted against the F-22/F-35/whatever, all but ensuring the older whatever’s victory .

Dig into these tests and you’ll probably find that the AI was given opportunities that the meatbag couldn’t take, or was operating under a much looser ROE.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > BaconSandwich is tasty. 08/21/2020 at 12:51

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It’s not that they’re restricted, it’s more like cost savings. What’s the point of reinforcing an airframe to handle higher Gs than its pilot possibly could?

user314 > Darkbrador 08/21/2020 at 12:51

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This;  exactly this. 

facw > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 12:53

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Can’t slow it down though, because someone else won’t.

WRXforScience > HammerheadFistpunch 08/21/2020 at 12:57

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The data is all the same to the AI. The scary thing about AI is the rate of advancement, exponential growth can be truly frightening . The problem is still complex and it will still take time for AI weapons to outperform humans, but it’s a question of when and not if.

35 years ago the JSF program started, 35 years from now I’d be more surprised if we didn’t have superhuman AI for many if not most tasks.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 08/21/2020 at 13:09

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Where our energy comes from has zero to do with how our pathetic, antiquated and neglected power grid behaves when demand spikes. The same problems occurred before the call to shift away from fossil fuels. 

We should be shifting to renewable energy wherever possible because it’s better for the planet. But that should also coincide with distributed energy storage to prevent demand spikes from overwhelming the system. 

EL_ULY > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 13:10

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*grabs bucket of water*

fintail > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 13:12

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This could work as another argument for a sound UBI system.

ClassicDatsunDebate > For Sweden 08/21/2020 at 13:28

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All pilots follow the Val Kilmer life cycle

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > Just Jeepin' 08/21/2020 at 13:39

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Didn’t s eem exactly clear, was the AI flying  an equivalent  F-16 just like the meat sack pilot?

For Sweden > ClassicDatsunDebate 08/21/2020 at 14:55

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true